BSG - three episodes left - discussion of this week's episode...

[thoreau]

oooooh this week's episode was extraordinary! Sharon/Boomer is setting herself up for an extraordinary death before this finished - at the hands of Galen. Galen has now been used by her twice. (or perhaps Athena - who watched Boomer fuck Helo in the locker room) I so did not see her kidnapping Hera coming. I thought we'd see the arrival of Cavil's ships - not her jumping away.

I'm pissed that Ellen refers to Cavil as Cavil instead of John. This episode played like Ellen had never gone anywhere. and Tigh's Six has no "role" in this episode either. like the death of their child isn't an ongoing storyline. It is beginning to feel a bit rushed. but with three episodes left - two one hours and the final two hour finale? the big "Holy Crap" is only moments away.

I enjoyed the "ghost dad" aspect of Starbuck's deterioration and questioning of herself. I think we just met Daniel. and that Daniel is somewhere out there still. (I think he's responsible for her "resurrection" and her new raptor)

Three episodes left. Yikes. and looks like the Gallactica is in horrible shape too. There is talk in next week's trailer of abandoning Gallactica - but for where/what? move all the vipers to the base star?

I want to see Cavil resurrect in Daniel's hidden lab somewhere and be slowly, dramatically and over-the-top painfully done in. Or perhaps Hera will kill Cavil - like Ilia in Dune killing Baron Harkonnen. I just know that the writers will give us a spectacular end.

I think that the "leader who will not live to see the end" is Cavil/John and not Rosyln.

thoughts?

Comments

[bear-left.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking they might head for Kobol... I agree, I do think we just met Daniel; it would be interesting to see if & how he could have engineered Kara's resurrection.

I feel like I need to watch the whole half-season again.

[excessor.livejournal.com]

Wait...I'm missing something. Who's Daniel?

[eric-mathgeek.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking Hera will put her hand in the water on a baseship... Not sure what could come of it, but it's an option for Hera killing Cavil, or at least taking control.

[eric-mathgeek.livejournal.com]

Model 7, the missing Cylon that was boxed. Ellen said he was an artist.

[eric-mathgeek.livejournal.com]

Two other thoughts:

1) Daniel is a transsexual. That is -- Kara *is* Daniel.

2) Kara is Daniel's child -- half human, half cylon. She appears to be tapped into something, and was as a child, just like Hera appears to be.

[inbhirnis.livejournal.com]

I found it a bit slow and pointless at the beginning, but it nicely revealed itself to be a pretty important episode - I saw it with danlmarmot and new San Diego arrivals bikerbearmark and subwoofr. We all felt that Kara's father is Daniel.

Who is her mother, I wonder? So, if we're all right, Kara is at least half-Cylon, so we'll have to see what kind of implications that has re her 'resurrection' and maybe it also suggests a connection with Hera - reinforced by the whole music score bit.

I think we can safely assume that the final episode will include the spectacular implosion of Galactica - and perhaps humans, Cylons and half-and-halfs taking refuge on a Base Star and becoming one.

It will be cool to see the finale on 3/20 - because I'll be in Seattle to meet up with bear_left, quirkstreet, and shirtlifterbear - BSG party in my hotel room!

[low-fat-muffin.livejournal.com]

Daniel is the 7th cylon that Cavil/John mass murdered that was Ellen's favorite of the models. He was 'revealed' in the episode "No Exit" when Ellen resurrects. She said he was an artist and loved life - but that Cavil destroyed all the "Sevens" - The Daniels. its not like they'd bring something that big up (a 7th model not yet revealed) for no reason. I think Daniel is Starbuck's father. Making Starbuck the first cylon human hybrid instead of Hera.

[low-fat-muffin.livejournal.com]

exactly. I think Kara will have something to do with the end of Cavil as well. We shall see. The drama quotient in this episode - particularly Boomer's deception and kidnapping of Hera. I really think we're setting up Hera to have MAJOR impact. and Boomer will die at the hands of Galen or Athena.

[low-fat-muffin.livejournal.com]

Ellen Tigh might be her mother. :) Ellen has a millennia of secrets and stories to tell.

[inbhirnis.livejournal.com]

She certainly seems the most obvious candidate. I don't know if, in previous episodes, Kara has spoken about her mother, and whether anything Kara has said in the past would rule out the possibility of Ellen being her mother - I'm sure some uber-geek will know... :-)

[low-fat-muffin.livejournal.com]

Well I think Kara would recognize her since Mom stayed and Dad left. I think Daniels disappearance will be explained as he had to run to avoid being found by Cavil/John. Something BIG is coming though - I mean - they only have two "one hour" episodes left before the big TO DO on the 20th.

BSG

[cogitoergozoom.livejournal.com]

Yeah, those Boomers are just turning out to be bad eggs! Between Boomer and Athena the 8s are definitely schizophrenic!

Perhaps the dream of Hera in the Opera House is actually a rescue by Caprica and Baltar rather than a kidnapping?

I agree, Starbuck's dad is probably Daniel.

Let's hope for a two-hour series finale - lots to wrap up! I'm afraid they'll just leave loose storylines and then wrap them up in DVD movies that we'll have to buy, like Stargate SG-1 did.

[urbear]

I think that the "leader who will not live to see the end" is Cavil/John and not Rosyln

On the other hand, Roslyn had that serious hand tremor at the beginning of the episode. They focused on it, suggesting that it was of some importance.

I wonder if all the Eights have a tendency toward deception and manipulation? Wasn't it another Eight whose amoral behavior in the Face of the Enemy webisodes acted as a catalyst for the events that led to the mutiny and Gaeta's eventual execution?

[excessor.livejournal.com]

Thanks. I don't know why I didn't search for it before, but I found the Battlestar Wiki fan website, which seems quite good. I was able to read up on a few things.

[excessor.livejournal.com]

I took the focus on Roslyn as a direct reaction by her to Hera's abduction. I think Roslyn is linked to the child as well.

[low-fat-muffin.livejournal.com]

because she has a transfusion of cylon blood in her from Hera right? :) the merging of the two races in the blood. :) its awesome stuff!

[urbear]

Yeah, there's clearly some sort of connection there... but the hand tremor I'm talking about was depicted near the start of the episode, long before anything happened to Hera.

[inbhirnis.livejournal.com]

Yep - I took that trembling in her hand, before the whole Hera drama, as a bit of foreshadowing. I expect at the very least, Roslin will have a serious health crisis between now and the end of the show. The only question now is whether she'll expire, or whether something Cylon-y will happen and she gets cured (again). I personally think she'll die.

[wrascalbc.livejournal.com]

hmmm.....I wonder if I could be in Seattle on 3/20.

Re: BSG

[wrascalbc.livejournal.com]

Frankly I'm surprised that with all the duplicates of yourselves running around that there aren't all schizo. You would thinks some 6s and 8s would start experimenting with hair dye or piercings or something. Or at least some of them stop shaving their moustaches.

[wrascalbc.livejournal.com]

Going out on the electronic limb here....

I agree, I think that there is a link between Roslyn and Hera and that Roslyn felt the child dying. That box didn't look like it could store much oxygen and that Boomer planned on letting her out instead of a panicked launch.

[low-fat-muffin.livejournal.com]

oooh I hadn't even considered what Cavil would do if she showed up with a dead child.

[inbhirnis.livejournal.com]

My first thought was that Hera and Boomer died when we saw the explosion, because maybe they jumped too close to the Galactica and their ship went all implody or something. But, those I watched it with thought that the jump was successful and the damage to Galactica was purely from the space-warpiness of the jump, rather than Boomer's ship being destroyed. I'm inclined to agree with them.

I don't think they'd have Hera dying in a box - but you never know. This is the show, after all, that in the first or second episode had Caprica Six killing a baby out of curiosity. At this point, I'm inclined to believe Hera is alive, and Roslin has a connection (through the transfusion) to her, and felt Hera jumping away.

[moofedma.livejournal.com]

Actually we've seen her mother! You'll remember that Kara's mother was a veteran of the Colonial Service and had lung cancer or something like that. Kara's mother IS blond, and we didn't see her dad of course, but what's all that say? Hmm?

[inbhirnis.livejournal.com]

The more the merrier! :-)

[moofedma.livejournal.com]

Well we have reason to think that Boomer jumped successfully, because it was the result of the jump so close to the ship that caused all the damage.

Also remember, Galactica is about 90 years old!

[wrascalbc.livejournal.com]

If that scenario holds then Boomer could be killed due to the death of (a prototype?) child by distraught parents.

And on another limb....

I couldn't help but think that the music, as recognised by Ty and the others is that it's a base form of programming. Even the crayoned musical notes. Embryos grow in response to genetic programming, a child would be more able to 'hear' it because she has less distractions adults have. The fellow in the coma (I forget his name) might essentially be re-booting, re-accessing that base programming as a form of healing.

Who knows how Cylons heal? Death and rebirth were previously an easy way out. And the coincidence of Starbuck knowing that song from early age makes me think that...
a) Starbuck is a Cylon of some sort and has that base programming, too....
b) the base programming is in all, Cylons, Humans and Hybrids. Since it was a part of my religious upbringing, I couldn't help but think of the Quaker dictum There is that of God in all of us.

OK that's three limbs, I think I'll stop now.
:o)

[wrascalbc.livejournal.com]

YAY!

(Tho I think shirtlifterbear has more than enough mary than all of us.)

Ooops...did I just type that? Bad, wrascal.

[inbhirnis.livejournal.com]

We have? That's interesting...was that the episode where there's a flashback to the Adama son's funeral, or some other occasion? So - they showed her face, clearly, and it wasn't Ellen? I suppose if they've now decided to make Ellen her mother, they'd fanwank it away by saying something like "that woman was not your mother....she met your father when you were a baby, and they agreed never to tell you your mother's true identity..."

[inbhirnis.livejournal.com]

SNAP, Gurl!

You're in trouble... :-)

[bear-left.livejournal.com]

Here's the wiki page for Socrata Thrace:
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Socrata_Thrace

I really hope they don't do a "she wasn't your real mother" switcheroo... especially since when that older episode aired, it seemed clear they'd created a character & picked an actress who in body & in behavior so clearly resembled Kara.

[ozdachs.livejournal.com]

It sure seems like we're being set up for a forced abandonment of Galactica which will get the 13 tribes to a promised land which their leader had envisioned but does not live to stand on.

Whee!

I love the speculation about who that visionary leader is (I still vote for Roslin, but would love to see someone else die) and what the promised land is. Kobol? Caprica? The real Earth? Where?

Will all 13 tribes go to the promised land together?

We didn't see Kara's father coming. Of course, that makes her at least half fracking toaster. And, I couldn't tell if Roslin was reacting to the music or Hera's jump or what. Or how?

And Galactica. Will we address how all of the Cylon sleepers just happen to wind up on this mothball-bait junker at the moment of the Cylon attack (or soon get saved by it in the fog of war)? It seems like Galactica was singled out for Cylon infusion, but it sure didn't feel that way in season 1 with the timed FTL jumps.

Pretty sharp story and acting!

[inbhirnis.livejournal.com]

Well - if they have any integrity, they really should stick with that storyline and not try and fanwank it away.

I like how in the battlestar wiki they refer to the Dylan riff that been very important on a couple of occasions now as "The Music". I think if, as I think, there's going to be some kind of merging of Cylon and Human at the end of the series, this should be THE MUSIC:



;-)

[excessor.livejournal.com]

On a completely different topic, do you read Television Without Pity?

[low-fat-muffin.livejournal.com]

i have not - but must start doing so. :)

[querrelle.livejournal.com]

One of the most discordant notes for me in recent episodes was how Ellen turned from a suave composed sophisticate on Cavil’s baseship to a jealousy-crazed fuckwit once she got back to Galactica.

I still wonder whether Baltar isn’t going to turn out to be pivotal. There’s still the question of how he came to be infected with a Six, what determines the timing of her appearances, and how a Six came to be infected with him. And now we have Starbuck infected with, what presumably is Daniel, her father. Presumably Baltar’s too old to also be a child of Daniel?