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I'm sure the neoconservative blogosphere is full of as many posts about Obama letting a gay marching band in the inaugaral parade as our blogosphere is full of "wtf rick warren" posts. Warren gets his 30 seconds; the LGBT Marching Band parties all way down Pennsylvania Avenue. Lets not be too hasty in cyer-bitchslapping Obama. I'd say his people are playing both sides of the blogosphere for maximum impact.

Date: 2008-12-18 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audrabaudra.livejournal.com
"we aren't going to go away, and NEITHER ARE THEY. How can we expect change at all if we don't start listening to each other?"

I agree with you 200%, Robert. This is the country that is ours, they are our fellow citizens, and we have to form some kind of civil society out of it.

And as joebehrsandiego said just above me, "He values pragmatism (as he sees it), and bringing people of wildly different perspectives together in the public sphere and *forcing* them to deal with each other ... rather than talking past each other as has been the case until now."

Absolutely. I think Obama is employing the dialectic to help change spin around to a more left dominant ideology in this country. It's time for a more left-oriented change, but in the meantime, the far Right isn't going anywhere. Getting more mannered, civilized members of the Right into the tent for some good talk and exchange of ideas will ultimately help the change that is coming.

Date: 2008-12-18 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joebehrsandiego.livejournal.com
Amen.

So many people on both the Left and Right (and - frankly - *way* too many gay men) think if they scream "f**k you", and alternate that with plugging their ears and singing "LaLaLaLaLa", that the Other Side will just go away.

I can't tell you how frustrated that has made me over the years, and how glad I am that we have a President that "gets" that we have to get beyond those mindsets.

Date: 2008-12-18 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] low-fat-muffin.livejournal.com
Here the MSNBC video of
Obama's response to questions (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/28297465#28297465) - and I think it's a fair response....

Date: 2008-12-19 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joebehrsandiego.livejournal.com
Thank you sir!

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